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		<title>By: Priya Raju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Raju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>emmarcee - Thanks for visiting our blog. 

Please see my request to Neville above. The Aryan-Dravidian conflict is addressed in the following posts:
http://www.sastwingees.org/2008/02/24/the-real-history-of-india-part-6-aryan-invasion-theory/ and 
http://www.sastwingees.org/2008/03/01/the-real-history-of-india-part-7-chariots-horses-and-thunderbolts/.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>emmarcee &#8211; Thanks for visiting our blog. </p>
<p>Please see my request to Neville above. The Aryan-Dravidian conflict is addressed in the following posts:<br />
<a href="http://www.sastwingees.org/2008/02/24/the-real-history-of-india-part-6-aryan-invasion-theory/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sastwingees.org/2008/02/24/the-real-history-of-india-part-6-aryan-invasion-theory/</a> and<br />
<a href="http://www.sastwingees.org/2008/03/01/the-real-history-of-india-part-7-chariots-horses-and-thunderbolts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.sastwingees.org/2008/03/01/the-real-history-of-india-part-7-chariots-horses-and-thunderbolts/</a>.</p>
<p>Please add your views on the conflict in those posts. Thanks for your cooperation.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Raju</title>
		<link>http://www.sastwingees.org/about/comment-page-1/#comment-7784</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Raju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neville - Please post your comments in the relevant blog post. The About page is not the right place for your comments on the Aryan-Dravidian conflict. 

Any further comments on the Aryan-Dravidian conflict in this page will be moderated out. Thanks for understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neville &#8211; Please post your comments in the relevant blog post. The About page is not the right place for your comments on the Aryan-Dravidian conflict. </p>
<p>Any further comments on the Aryan-Dravidian conflict in this page will be moderated out. Thanks for understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Neville Ramdeholl</title>
		<link>http://www.sastwingees.org/about/comment-page-1/#comment-7783</link>
		<dc:creator>Neville Ramdeholl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi emmarcee, I&#039;m honored to receive your comment and I&#039;m so sad that you are disgusted. But disgusted about what? You didn&#039;t make the point or points that you are disgusted about.  Anyhow, if you can prove to me that the Indus people possessed a mythology of horse worship, then I may acknowledge your anger.  But you or those who believe that the Indus is Aryan in origin cannot simply point to such evidence for your arguments.  Even your most brilliant historians and writers and archaeologists cannot prove this.  Your reply was too short and it represents the frustrations of those in academia who up to this year still cannot produce the evidence of an Aryan Indus.  We are still waiting.

Emmarcee, why don&#039;t you write a piece to try to convince me of your idea of an Aryan India? If you think that I use high sounding words, well I can&#039;t help myself. The English taught me well. Even if you think it is propaganda! Remember, the truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies. If you don&#039;t know that simple maxim , then you should not indulge in writing. Looking forward to your disgusted reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi emmarcee, I&#8217;m honored to receive your comment and I&#8217;m so sad that you are disgusted. But disgusted about what? You didn&#8217;t make the point or points that you are disgusted about.  Anyhow, if you can prove to me that the Indus people possessed a mythology of horse worship, then I may acknowledge your anger.  But you or those who believe that the Indus is Aryan in origin cannot simply point to such evidence for your arguments.  Even your most brilliant historians and writers and archaeologists cannot prove this.  Your reply was too short and it represents the frustrations of those in academia who up to this year still cannot produce the evidence of an Aryan Indus.  We are still waiting.</p>
<p>Emmarcee, why don&#8217;t you write a piece to try to convince me of your idea of an Aryan India? If you think that I use high sounding words, well I can&#8217;t help myself. The English taught me well. Even if you think it is propaganda! Remember, the truth must be protected by a bodyguard of lies. If you don&#8217;t know that simple maxim , then you should not indulge in writing. Looking forward to your disgusted reply.</p>
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		<title>By: emmarcee</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neville, sad sad sad. To have such a blogger among this wonderful sastweingees group. You are using high sounding words in the hope that you can hoodwink people who are really doubting the aryan origin in India. First you start with some sentences which will misdiect others into thinking that you may be crticizing the people trying to claim aryan origin of Indus valley. Then you change the plate like magic.

Horse bones in Indus valley? and the proven point? that Aryans did not invade? and horses existed?
I am disgusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neville, sad sad sad. To have such a blogger among this wonderful sastweingees group. You are using high sounding words in the hope that you can hoodwink people who are really doubting the aryan origin in India. First you start with some sentences which will misdiect others into thinking that you may be crticizing the people trying to claim aryan origin of Indus valley. Then you change the plate like magic.</p>
<p>Horse bones in Indus valley? and the proven point? that Aryans did not invade? and horses existed?<br />
I am disgusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Neville Ramdeholl</title>
		<link>http://www.sastwingees.org/about/comment-page-1/#comment-4057</link>
		<dc:creator>Neville Ramdeholl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 03:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Indus Valley Civilization:  Its Reality and Maddening Prevarications of Academia. 
 
 
Ever since the discovery of the IVC, the rush to Aryanize its society and culture has 

filled books, papers, media forums  and other such articles and such entities has 

funded and encouraged historians and writers to let loose their imaginations in order 

to rewrite the history of India.  The fierce debate whether the IVC is Aryan or not 

has opened up emotions and a stirring of nationalistic feelings among Indians of 

different social and political persuasions and has led to the rewriting of some history 

books.   Even though the undertaking and exposing of the vast archaeological 

empire of the Indus still remains buried below the ground, opinions and speculations 

still persist that further and more radical change be made to the history of India.  

 The proven point that the Aryans did not invade India and that horses existed in its 

society are two areas juxtaposed between the migrationist theories and those who 

proposed an  &quot;Aryan India&quot;   Between this sliver of Aryan and Indus woodwork, lies 

the heart of the matter, its linch-pin--- the horse.  Whoever can prove that the horse 

existed at the Indus empire will cap a belated crowning glory and achieve at the 

same time a kind of immortality in Indian history.  The playing with historical dates 

like pushing them back further in time sounds like Russian roulette in order to 

achieve the inevitable and if such a hand can be played and the horse can be 

accommodated to form Indian history as among other things, thus far are historians 

are willing to go.   The claims of historians and other writers of horse remains has so 

far has not been proven or recognized by some of local and international academia, 

even though such claims have been taken up by readers of different sorts of books 

and articles.   The horse have remained evasive to not only archaeologists who 

would know one when they have analyzed its bones but to those who advocate its 

existence at the Indus.   The so called tentative discovery of horse bones in the cities 

of the Indus, is the one weakness of those who want to weld Aryan history and Indus 

history together.  This, I think will fail.  The Indus civilization does not have a 

mythology that speaks of the existence of horse and chariot. First of all, all peoples 

have from their beginnings tales of mythology and from this, their civilizations are 

born, their society evolves, their beliefs entrenched and their livelihood maintained.  

Without these a people may not survive as a strong entity such like the Greeks and 

the Indian civilizations. Mythology is the fountain of a people, where a kind of fairy 

tale comes down to generation after generation, where images of the mythology are 

graven in the minds of its citizens and from which stories of daring and derring do 

are told.  Greek mythology is filled with horses such as Pegasus and Arion, so we 

know that the Greeks knew about horses, Helios, the Sun god and the horses and 

also the Trojan horse.  Our  Hindu civilization also has a mythology of horses of the 

Sun, as well as other places mentioned in the Vedas and the Swat culture is one of 

the first places that the horse appeared in India.  But can that be said of the Indus 

civilization?  Where is the mythology of the horse and chariot in its ancient belief 

system?  The belligerent screaming and writing by academia of horse bones in the 

Indus does  not prove anything.  There is not a shred of evidence of a horse culture 

or part of a mythologic  reference to a horse or chariot in the history of the writing of 

the Indus nor in its society and the isolated claims of nationalistic writings has no 

foundation whatsoever.   Claims of horse presence in the absence of a mythology in 

comparison with Hindu or Greek is not only a failure, but a historical greed to fulfill 

nationalistic grandeur for India which would be penitently false.  I am sure Hindus 

would not like to incorporate a false version of historical data in their proud history.  

I personally would abhor such a travesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Indus Valley Civilization:  Its Reality and Maddening Prevarications of Academia. </p>
<p>Ever since the discovery of the IVC, the rush to Aryanize its society and culture has </p>
<p>filled books, papers, media forums  and other such articles and such entities has </p>
<p>funded and encouraged historians and writers to let loose their imaginations in order </p>
<p>to rewrite the history of India.  The fierce debate whether the IVC is Aryan or not </p>
<p>has opened up emotions and a stirring of nationalistic feelings among Indians of </p>
<p>different social and political persuasions and has led to the rewriting of some history </p>
<p>books.   Even though the undertaking and exposing of the vast archaeological </p>
<p>empire of the Indus still remains buried below the ground, opinions and speculations </p>
<p>still persist that further and more radical change be made to the history of India.  </p>
<p> The proven point that the Aryans did not invade India and that horses existed in its </p>
<p>society are two areas juxtaposed between the migrationist theories and those who </p>
<p>proposed an  &#8220;Aryan India&#8221;   Between this sliver of Aryan and Indus woodwork, lies </p>
<p>the heart of the matter, its linch-pin&#8212; the horse.  Whoever can prove that the horse </p>
<p>existed at the Indus empire will cap a belated crowning glory and achieve at the </p>
<p>same time a kind of immortality in Indian history.  The playing with historical dates </p>
<p>like pushing them back further in time sounds like Russian roulette in order to </p>
<p>achieve the inevitable and if such a hand can be played and the horse can be </p>
<p>accommodated to form Indian history as among other things, thus far are historians </p>
<p>are willing to go.   The claims of historians and other writers of horse remains has so </p>
<p>far has not been proven or recognized by some of local and international academia, </p>
<p>even though such claims have been taken up by readers of different sorts of books </p>
<p>and articles.   The horse have remained evasive to not only archaeologists who </p>
<p>would know one when they have analyzed its bones but to those who advocate its </p>
<p>existence at the Indus.   The so called tentative discovery of horse bones in the cities </p>
<p>of the Indus, is the one weakness of those who want to weld Aryan history and Indus </p>
<p>history together.  This, I think will fail.  The Indus civilization does not have a </p>
<p>mythology that speaks of the existence of horse and chariot. First of all, all peoples </p>
<p>have from their beginnings tales of mythology and from this, their civilizations are </p>
<p>born, their society evolves, their beliefs entrenched and their livelihood maintained.  </p>
<p>Without these a people may not survive as a strong entity such like the Greeks and </p>
<p>the Indian civilizations. Mythology is the fountain of a people, where a kind of fairy </p>
<p>tale comes down to generation after generation, where images of the mythology are </p>
<p>graven in the minds of its citizens and from which stories of daring and derring do </p>
<p>are told.  Greek mythology is filled with horses such as Pegasus and Arion, so we </p>
<p>know that the Greeks knew about horses, Helios, the Sun god and the horses and </p>
<p>also the Trojan horse.  Our  Hindu civilization also has a mythology of horses of the </p>
<p>Sun, as well as other places mentioned in the Vedas and the Swat culture is one of </p>
<p>the first places that the horse appeared in India.  But can that be said of the Indus </p>
<p>civilization?  Where is the mythology of the horse and chariot in its ancient belief </p>
<p>system?  The belligerent screaming and writing by academia of horse bones in the </p>
<p>Indus does  not prove anything.  There is not a shred of evidence of a horse culture </p>
<p>or part of a mythologic  reference to a horse or chariot in the history of the writing of </p>
<p>the Indus nor in its society and the isolated claims of nationalistic writings has no </p>
<p>foundation whatsoever.   Claims of horse presence in the absence of a mythology in </p>
<p>comparison with Hindu or Greek is not only a failure, but a historical greed to fulfill </p>
<p>nationalistic grandeur for India which would be penitently false.  I am sure Hindus </p>
<p>would not like to incorporate a false version of historical data in their proud history.  </p>
<p>I personally would abhor such a travesty.</p>
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