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		<title>By: senthil</title>
		<link>http://www.sastwingees.org/2009/02/18/deadly-justice-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-21961</link>
		<dc:creator>senthil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanted to share this article on occupy wall street protest..

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/26/glenn_greenwald_on_occupy_wall_street


How do you explain, actually, the convergence of the two? The legal immunity for the elite classes, and at the same time—because the period coincides exactly, four decades. From 1972 to 2007, imprisonment rates in the U.S. increased fivefold, from 93 per 100,000 to 491 per 100,000.


The prisoner rate of america is largest than that of the developing worlds..  Yet, America is called the land of justice..  The Utopian world of the Americanised Indians (LOL.. i need not say whom) has been shattering for the past few years..  

Its NOT about deadly Justice..  Even Justice cannot be established merely by imprisoning everyone..  The concept of Law of the west has to be deposed with, and the concept of Punishment as it exists today is to be dispensed with..  In indian polity, all the issues, are handled locally at the village level.. only severe crimes to up..  and there is no fixed law..  the circumstances, and the prevalent situations of the crime is considered..  there is No Idiotic Blind &quot;Rule of Law&quot;..

Take for another example..  there was no concept of prisoners of war, in the indic polity..  there is no equivalent word for prison in indic language..  no equivalent word for Prisoner ..  &quot;Kaithi&quot; is an urdu word which we are using today..

The losing king and army were kept out of the society in our polity..  and it is they who were branded as dalits, later..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanted to share this article on occupy wall street protest..</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/26/glenn_greenwald_on_occupy_wall_street" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/26/glenn_greenwald_on_occupy_wall_street</a></p>
<p>How do you explain, actually, the convergence of the two? The legal immunity for the elite classes, and at the same time—because the period coincides exactly, four decades. From 1972 to 2007, imprisonment rates in the U.S. increased fivefold, from 93 per 100,000 to 491 per 100,000.</p>
<p>The prisoner rate of america is largest than that of the developing worlds..  Yet, America is called the land of justice..  The Utopian world of the Americanised Indians (LOL.. i need not say whom) has been shattering for the past few years..  </p>
<p>Its NOT about deadly Justice..  Even Justice cannot be established merely by imprisoning everyone..  The concept of Law of the west has to be deposed with, and the concept of Punishment as it exists today is to be dispensed with..  In indian polity, all the issues, are handled locally at the village level.. only severe crimes to up..  and there is no fixed law..  the circumstances, and the prevalent situations of the crime is considered..  there is No Idiotic Blind &#8220;Rule of Law&#8221;..</p>
<p>Take for another example..  there was no concept of prisoners of war, in the indic polity..  there is no equivalent word for prison in indic language..  no equivalent word for Prisoner ..  &#8220;Kaithi&#8221; is an urdu word which we are using today..</p>
<p>The losing king and army were kept out of the society in our polity..  and it is they who were branded as dalits, later..</p>
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		<title>By: senthil</title>
		<link>http://www.sastwingees.org/2009/02/18/deadly-justice-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-20438</link>
		<dc:creator>senthil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The prisons and death penalty are largely alien to Indian society..  The below link would be an interested read..

http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/the-story-of-crime-prisons/

India was NOT law based, but commune based..  Constitution, Laws are alien to our psyche, and today, it is the urban anglicised indians who speak about law of land etc..  but the rural people speak only about dharma..

Indian society handled punishment rather in a different way..   they did not put in prison nor banish the culprits..  they just outcasted the criminal, either with physical penalty or without..

Even at an empire level, a particular community is outcasted, and NOT persecuted as it happened in the west..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prisons and death penalty are largely alien to Indian society..  The below link would be an interested read..</p>
<p><a href="http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/the-story-of-crime-prisons/" rel="nofollow">http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/the-story-of-crime-prisons/</a></p>
<p>India was NOT law based, but commune based..  Constitution, Laws are alien to our psyche, and today, it is the urban anglicised indians who speak about law of land etc..  but the rural people speak only about dharma..</p>
<p>Indian society handled punishment rather in a different way..   they did not put in prison nor banish the culprits..  they just outcasted the criminal, either with physical penalty or without..</p>
<p>Even at an empire level, a particular community is outcasted, and NOT persecuted as it happened in the west..</p>
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		<title>By: Arun g</title>
		<link>http://www.sastwingees.org/2009/02/18/deadly-justice-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-12388</link>
		<dc:creator>Arun g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
Iam sorry if my comment appeared harsh!!....I never thought it to be.
Thanks for replying :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
Iam sorry if my comment appeared harsh!!&#8230;.I never thought it to be.<br />
Thanks for replying <img src='http://www.sastwingees.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Priya Raju</title>
		<link>http://www.sastwingees.org/2009/02/18/deadly-justice-part-4/comment-page-1/#comment-12387</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Raju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arun - &lt;strong&gt;DO NOT &lt;/strong&gt;post strident comments. You are communicating with a stranger &amp; toning down your language goes a long way. It will take me less than a minute to post a heated response. But, I choose to respond calmly this time.

My post is not just about my views, but about the evolution of the laws. The 8th amendment is about &quot;Prevailing standards of decency in the world&quot;. My &quot;inertia&quot; or &quot;energy levels&quot; will have no impact on the cultural attainment of the world populated by 6 Billion people. Such changes take time. 

Please read my series again. What I have shown is the history of the law. The laws have evolved over a period of time. Luckily, we don&#039;t live in a country whose laws are governed by a particular idealogy. So some laws are utilitarian &amp; others aren&#039;t. I have clearly explained where I think a retributive system doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arun &#8211; <strong>DO NOT </strong>post strident comments. You are communicating with a stranger &#038; toning down your language goes a long way. It will take me less than a minute to post a heated response. But, I choose to respond calmly this time.</p>
<p>My post is not just about my views, but about the evolution of the laws. The 8th amendment is about &#8220;Prevailing standards of decency in the world&#8221;. My &#8220;inertia&#8221; or &#8220;energy levels&#8221; will have no impact on the cultural attainment of the world populated by 6 Billion people. Such changes take time. </p>
<p>Please read my series again. What I have shown is the history of the law. The laws have evolved over a period of time. Luckily, we don&#8217;t live in a country whose laws are governed by a particular idealogy. So some laws are utilitarian &#038; others aren&#8217;t. I have clearly explained where I think a retributive system doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Arun g</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arun g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK ... :)
So the &#039;prevailing notion of decency&#039; is the only thing that which prevents you from thinking of using methods like  crucifiction.If I am right I can also conclude that you are not a wee bit concerned about taking this &#039;notion of decency&#039; one step forward or going further in the direction in which &#039;penal system of  the country has so far evolved&#039;.
You have acknowledged in the very first post that modern law is a derivative of Utilitarianism;But rather than  making a case based on utilitarian philosophy 
you have chose to support capital punishment based on retributive justice. Does that mean ,you  have basic differences with the underlying philosophy of the modern law?Or if it is  no particular philosophy ,but the  &#039;prevailing notion of decency&#039; that matters ,   how will you react if I say that it is only an inertia or complacence with the present  law   that  prevents you from supporting the abolition of capital punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK &#8230; <img src='http://www.sastwingees.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
So the &#8216;prevailing notion of decency&#8217; is the only thing that which prevents you from thinking of using methods like  crucifiction.If I am right I can also conclude that you are not a wee bit concerned about taking this &#8216;notion of decency&#8217; one step forward or going further in the direction in which &#8216;penal system of  the country has so far evolved&#8217;.<br />
You have acknowledged in the very first post that modern law is a derivative of Utilitarianism;But rather than  making a case based on utilitarian philosophy<br />
you have chose to support capital punishment based on retributive justice. Does that mean ,you  have basic differences with the underlying philosophy of the modern law?Or if it is  no particular philosophy ,but the  &#8216;prevailing notion of decency&#8217; that matters ,   how will you react if I say that it is only an inertia or complacence with the present  law   that  prevents you from supporting the abolition of capital punishment.</p>
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