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		<title>By: BM Bharadwaj</title>
		<link>http://www.sastwingees.org/2008/08/03/deconstructing-doha/comment-page-1/#comment-4878</link>
		<dc:creator>BM Bharadwaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting discussion on a very critical and important aspect of our Indian economy.
In the indian scenario; we need to replicate the best practices of the co-operative sector (like in Banks and Dairy) in agriculture as well.
But the problem is nobody likes to give away the power they have got effortlessly and are also unaccountable; especially the government; located in far away cities who are controlling what happens in a distant rural village.
Dr Kalams &quot;PURA&quot; (Providing Urban Amenities in Rural Areas) concept coupled with &quot;true&quot; powers to the village panchayats and allowing the farmers to sell at market prices shall help us overcome the current crisis which shall affect majority of the rural population and threatens to blow up into a full blown social crisis; if not solved in a war footing.
Organic farming is a proven sustainable way in agriculture; just as we are looking for &quot;Greener&quot; technologies in all other industries. 
Organic farming is the &quot;greenest technology&quot; in the greenest of industry.
It is defnitely somthing that should be promoted in the long term....
Farmer&#039;s suicides and subsidies have just become political debating points; with the main reasons being total neglect of agiricilture especially since the &quot;green revolution&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting discussion on a very critical and important aspect of our Indian economy.<br />
In the indian scenario; we need to replicate the best practices of the co-operative sector (like in Banks and Dairy) in agriculture as well.<br />
But the problem is nobody likes to give away the power they have got effortlessly and are also unaccountable; especially the government; located in far away cities who are controlling what happens in a distant rural village.<br />
Dr Kalams &#8220;PURA&#8221; (Providing Urban Amenities in Rural Areas) concept coupled with &#8220;true&#8221; powers to the village panchayats and allowing the farmers to sell at market prices shall help us overcome the current crisis which shall affect majority of the rural population and threatens to blow up into a full blown social crisis; if not solved in a war footing.<br />
Organic farming is a proven sustainable way in agriculture; just as we are looking for &#8220;Greener&#8221; technologies in all other industries.<br />
Organic farming is the &#8220;greenest technology&#8221; in the greenest of industry.<br />
It is defnitely somthing that should be promoted in the long term&#8230;.<br />
Farmer&#8217;s suicides and subsidies have just become political debating points; with the main reasons being total neglect of agiricilture especially since the &#8220;green revolution&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: vamc</title>
		<link>http://www.sastwingees.org/2008/08/03/deconstructing-doha/comment-page-1/#comment-4558</link>
		<dc:creator>vamc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting analysis Rachel. Sometimes we need both sides of story to understand the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting analysis Rachel. Sometimes we need both sides of story to understand the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Laudan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Laudan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sukumar,

A very interesting discussion.  I just wanted to comment on the New York Times article that you linked to.  As you say, it was important in forming your opinion on Doha.  And that&#039;s entirely understandable because it has a reputation as the US paper of record. 

I am not at all sure that I agree with the argument of the article that imports of corn from the United States are driving the small Mexican farmer out of business.  

1.  The imports from the States are yellow corn for animal feed.  The small Mexican farmer grows white corn, the only corn regarded as fit for human consumption.  His major competitor therefore is the large Mexican farmer who also grows white corn.  He has the same machinery, acreage etc as his counterpart in the States.  Mexican white corn production has in fact grown greatly since NAFTA and Mexico is more or less self sufficient in white corn.  Also the price of meat has come way down making it accessible to everyone.

2.  For a long time, the Mexican government subsidized tortillas, the maize flatbreads that are the basis of the Mexican diet.  This chiefly benefited people in the cities.  Farmers who grew their own simply found the prices of maize depressed (or so I believe).  The price was allowed to rise with NAFTA but in the last year it has been capped again.  

3. Most small farmers have cooperative land that they received about seventy years ago with the break up of the huge haciendas (farms).  Since then the population has soared.  Until a few years ago the land could not be sold, so that more and more people were trying to eke out a living out of the same small plot.  Moreover much of this land is marginal at best.  In my state, for example, much of it is on land where the rains do not come 2 years out of seven.  Not much incentive to plant.  And much cannot be irrigated because it is on hills or mountain sides.

Thus the small Mexican farmer was in deep trouble before NAFTA.  You cannot make a living on 4 or 5 acres of marginal land.  And most Mexicans are no longer content with subsistence.  They want to send their children to school, have electricity, running water, a television, and so on. 

Well, that&#039;s beside the point.  The major point is that the problem of farmers with plots too small to support themselves is a serious one and so is the question of how they can somehow make better lives for themselves.  But at least in the case of NAFTA, so far as I can see, that was so regardless of free trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sukumar,</p>
<p>A very interesting discussion.  I just wanted to comment on the New York Times article that you linked to.  As you say, it was important in forming your opinion on Doha.  And that&#8217;s entirely understandable because it has a reputation as the US paper of record. </p>
<p>I am not at all sure that I agree with the argument of the article that imports of corn from the United States are driving the small Mexican farmer out of business.  </p>
<p>1.  The imports from the States are yellow corn for animal feed.  The small Mexican farmer grows white corn, the only corn regarded as fit for human consumption.  His major competitor therefore is the large Mexican farmer who also grows white corn.  He has the same machinery, acreage etc as his counterpart in the States.  Mexican white corn production has in fact grown greatly since NAFTA and Mexico is more or less self sufficient in white corn.  Also the price of meat has come way down making it accessible to everyone.</p>
<p>2.  For a long time, the Mexican government subsidized tortillas, the maize flatbreads that are the basis of the Mexican diet.  This chiefly benefited people in the cities.  Farmers who grew their own simply found the prices of maize depressed (or so I believe).  The price was allowed to rise with NAFTA but in the last year it has been capped again.  </p>
<p>3. Most small farmers have cooperative land that they received about seventy years ago with the break up of the huge haciendas (farms).  Since then the population has soared.  Until a few years ago the land could not be sold, so that more and more people were trying to eke out a living out of the same small plot.  Moreover much of this land is marginal at best.  In my state, for example, much of it is on land where the rains do not come 2 years out of seven.  Not much incentive to plant.  And much cannot be irrigated because it is on hills or mountain sides.</p>
<p>Thus the small Mexican farmer was in deep trouble before NAFTA.  You cannot make a living on 4 or 5 acres of marginal land.  And most Mexicans are no longer content with subsistence.  They want to send their children to school, have electricity, running water, a television, and so on. </p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s beside the point.  The major point is that the problem of farmers with plots too small to support themselves is a serious one and so is the question of how they can somehow make better lives for themselves.  But at least in the case of NAFTA, so far as I can see, that was so regardless of free trade.</p>
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		<title>By: senthil</title>
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		<dc:creator>senthil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/04/opinion/04mon4.html?_r=1&amp;th=&amp;oref=slogin&amp;emc=th&amp;pagewanted=print&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; nytimes link on american agri &lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: rajagopal sukumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>rajagopal sukumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Senthil,
Which comment of yours is in moderation? I don&#039;t see any in the queue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senthil,<br />
Which comment of yours is in moderation? I don&#8217;t see any in the queue?</p>
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