As for Ramanujar making many non-brahmins as brahmins, that did happen from what i know.

I don’t understand why Russia would suppress an excavation. I will look into that some more.

I don’t believe in this Arul Varudhal concept. Don’t be offended, i think it is BS.

Lastly, hinduism is not a religion based on whose definition of religion? Can you define religion? Hinduism is a complex religion that defies the typical notions of religion, but it is a religion all the same.

You might have seen in films like “Arul varuthal”, ie.. some person suddenly become extraordinary and speak on behalf of the god.. Those were very common on those days in the rural areas, but outrightly rejected by the intellectuals.. But having seen many such things directly, its hard to believe, that these types of “AruL’ were psychological things..

Everyyear, a spiritual fold drama would be conducted for the Gods “Ponnar & sankar”.. That event will culminate, only when some one gets “Arul”..

Although, these type of things are hated most by the urban people, there is entirely a separate dimension to these, which provides ample subject for research and understanding ..

So, i could not comprehend, how Hinduism could be called a religion.. the meaning of religion doesnt fit to Hinduism, which is what i feel.

I quoted vishnu idol, to represent that there might be lot of cultural linkage b/w russia and india… this is unknown so far right.. Even now the excavasions has been suppressed for some known reasons

I did not equate shaivism with black magic.. rather, many of the concepts like meditation, seems to refined version of black magic. Black magic was somewhat like rural version & rough version of meditation.

I met a person, who has knowledge about blackmagic. He said, that to get the power, we need to meditate for 21 days.. no pleasures in those 21 days.. should strictly follow some rituals.. It needs the art of linking sub-conscious mind to our intentions, and concetrate all our thoughts on our objective.

Black magic is famous for its mis-use and abuse. Most of the times, black magic is used for destroying the rivals & enemies and the same used for breaking such billi sunyams.. (still its used in far rural areas of tamil nadu and kerala..)..

The highlight is that, many of the estate owners, utilise such black magicians, for various purposes.

That’s why i said, that the advanced level of meditation could have evolved from such low level things, which might have been starting point . (to my knowledge, this type of things exist in south predominantly and to some extent in eastern and bengal side).

I dont know about the rest of the world.. (I heard of incidents like witch craft in the western mythology…) .. so mostly such things would be a tribal affair..

Now I don’t know why you equate Shaivism with black magic? I don’t agree with that. I suspect that Shiva himself is the original Dravidian tribal god which was incorporated into the later Vedic religion which is what passes as Hinduism now. I am sure you know about Appar, Sundarar and Manickavasagar without whose contributions, Hinduism would be dead and gone in Tamilnadu. They lived approx in the 10th century AD.

Aryans (which includes Brahmins as well) came originally to India from Afghanistan. Within India, over the years Brahmins were imported from the North to do the priestly duties owing to their knowledge of the Vedas.

I don’t understand how the presence of Vishnu idols in Russia proves anything? Unless you are saying these idols are from before 1500BC which is the approximate date of the arrival of the Aryans into the Indus Valley.

I also don’t agree that Jainism is a sect of Hinduism. Both Jainism and Buddhism specifically attacked the Vedic religion and are to be seen as separate from Hinduism. later, Buddha’s and Mahavira’s ideas were incorporated into Hinduism – sacrifices were stopped for the most part, vegetarianism became mainstream atleast for the brahmins etc.